09 April 2006 @ 06:36 pm
Things I've learned from the readers of conservatives columnists lately  
Recently I wrote about syndicated conservative columnist Michelle Malkin's double standard regarding the flying of the flags of other nations. Flying the Danish flag rocks; flying the Mexican flag means you're a racist who hates America. 70 comments later, I think we're at the point where I can look back at the things I have learned.

1. People who love conservative columnists are avid defenders of free speech. I expected them to be the types that dislike the ACLU and controversial artwork funded by the National Endowment for the arts, but apparently people who love conservative columnists really love "Piss Christ" as much as I do. That love of free speech, however, does not apply to hate speech such as waving a flag of a different country. If that different country is Mexico. Danish flags rock.

2. People who love conservative columnists are avid fans of totalitarian governments. I suspected some sort of small-government loving, red-scared communist haters, but instead I got people who don't fear a powerful government because being powerful means that you are right. Seriously, someone actually typed, "artists and the like are determined to bring down the US. Because it is powerful. ... Maybe it's powerful because it is right." Who needs checks and balances on power? Maybe the powerful are right all the time, otherwise they wouldn't be so powerful, did you ever think of that? Fucking artists destroying America.

3. People who love conservative columnists are all about context and moral relativism. I expected some sort of strident anti-flip-flopping firm moral beliefs, but no, it's absolutely appropriate to wave the flag of Denmark (where socialist and communist parties represent about half of the governement, where abortions are legal, the medicine is socialized, the taxes are high, and gays get domestic partner benefits) but it's absolutely horrid that a Mexican-American might wave a Mexican flag. Because Mexicans who want the rest of their familes to be able to come to America clearly hate America. Think about: Do you ever invite your family members to places you don't hate? So, yes, I was for the flying of flags of socialist countries before I was against flying the flags of America-hating people who are dying to become the smallest cogs in our capitalist machine.

4. People who love conservative columnists who see pro-immigration demonstrators as "militant racism" will be quick to correct anyone who suggests that anti-immigration stances might be based on racism. How dare you play the race card that somebody else already dealt? Sure, just because a conservative columnist calls half a million pro-immigration demonstrators racists, that doesn't mean anybody else can question the racist motives of conservative columnists. Because hispanics and whites are actually both part of the caucasian race. Seriously, someone actually wrote that. I think the double speak is starting to make sense now: Racist Mexicans hate white America because they're from a different race, but white Americans who hate racist Mexicans can't be racist themselves because Mexicans and Whites are all brothers of the same race.

5. People who love conservative columnists don't think people from one country should tell another country what to do. I was expecting a bunch of people who would jump on Bill O'Reilly's boycott of the French or support the U.S. government overthrowing the governments of other nations. But no, I found a bunch of strict isolationists that beleive that people from one country have no right to tell people from another country what types of laws and policies they should have. For example it would be wrong for someone from Mexico to try to influence U.S. immigration policy, but keep in mind that it would be totally right for someone from the U.S. to try to influence Danish press freedoms.

Anyway, that's the Cliff's Notes version of this thread. Maybe you'll find some gems in there that I missed. There's also a nice Danish taco recipe.
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Boxing Pickle Jesus[info]radiumhead on April 9th, 2006 10:19 pm (UTC)
Michelle Malkin's a fucking cunt.

She's hot, though.Unless that picture of her is old.
Eric M[info]ericmonster on April 9th, 2006 11:15 pm (UTC)
Which picture? This one?



I suppose that's high praise in the world of right-wing commentary, sure (insert name here) may be as stupid as Rush Limbaugh, but at least they're not as ugly.
Boxing Pickle Jesus[info]radiumhead on April 10th, 2006 11:21 pm (UTC)
Well, in that pic she looks like she's purposely making a face-like, "here's my scary repbublican face! Die liberal, Die!"

Or maybe she's just retarded.I saw a good pic of her somewhere, I dont know how old it was-I think she's only in her mid to late 30's.
Jenny Devil Doll: 01 News[info]jennydevildoll on April 9th, 2006 11:11 pm (UTC)
Malkin's an idiot, but some conservatives can be avid free speech defenders. I have an Uncle who's so right wing that Bush is too populist and moderate for him, but he's one of the most staunchly pro-1st Amendment people I've ever met.
Eric M[info]ericmonster on April 9th, 2006 11:24 pm (UTC)
True, some conservatives who claim to love the Bill of Rights and Constittuion actually do -- but those people are few and far between. More common (or at least screaming louder) are the conservatives who claim that the Bill of Rights is sacred while simultaneously claiming that soemone who chooses to exercise their free speech by flying a flag ought to be deported. You know?
Doktor Kamisama[info]thekamisama on April 10th, 2006 03:41 am (UTC)
you forgot
#6. People who love conservative columns do not know the difference between the "Post a comment" and "reply to this" links on livejournal.
Eric M[info]ericmonster on April 10th, 2006 05:46 am (UTC)
That's bullshit, which I'm proving right now by using the "Post a comment" feature.
Doktor Kamisama[info]thekamisama on April 10th, 2006 02:07 pm (UTC)
well maybe its just the Danish ones with names like fantasy/roleplay characters?
Eric M[info]ericmonster on April 10th, 2006 03:05 pm (UTC)
I was joking -- I was using "reply to this" and pretending to be either stupid or lying.

maybe its just the Danish ones with names like fantasy/roleplay characters?

I don't think there was anybody who has ever been to Denmark on that thread, except for h_i_mcdonnough -- the pro-Danish-flag/anti-Mexican-flag crew seemed to know very little about Denmark.

But, yeah, that whole "we've got pirate code names and we're here to have a seriosu debate about free speech and immigration issues' was pretty cool!
Doktor Kamisama[info]thekamisama on April 10th, 2006 09:59 pm (UTC)
yeah I just got in from work when I read the reply, my humour sensor was malfuctioning.

Mental Flatulence, how unbecoming on my part.
H.I. McDunnough[info]h_i_mcdonnough on April 10th, 2006 09:10 am (UTC)
The outpouring of support for Denmark from the right is heartwarming. For instance, from http://www.lifelikepundits.com/archives/002188.php
I am off to the Danish embassy to stand in solidarity with the Danish people and their freedom of speech and freedom of the press...Maybe I can get an autograph from Christopher Hitchens!

Won't have a camera, but will write about this later today with more from the RNC event last night as well.


I will be there in spirit! I just called the embassy and it is a 30 minute walk from the Dupont Circle Station! Too cold :-(

Nothin' like somebody who apparently lives in the DC area not being able to figure out how to ride a metrobus (only poor people ride those, right?) to only two blocks away from the Danish Embassy (on the N2 or N4 bus, according to the Metro website). That shows solidarity "in spirit" with the Danes, half of whom pretty much ride buses and trains everywhere they go.

Or, finding it too cold to walk 30 minutes. That shows solidarity (in spirit, of course) with the Danes, the other half of whom pretty much ride their bicycles (often more than 30 minutes, twice a day) all year around.
Eric M[info]ericmonster on April 10th, 2006 03:25 pm (UTC)
I was going to totally stick it to the terrorists but it was too cold. :-(
H.I. McDunnough[info]h_i_mcdonnough on April 10th, 2006 04:38 pm (UTC)
Well, it's a 30 minute walk, and a cab would probably be 10 or 15 bucks. No way do I sacrifice that much beer money to fight terrorism. I'll be there in spirit.
H.I. McDunnough[info]h_i_mcdonnough on April 10th, 2006 10:01 am (UTC)
My favorite line
Nice post, Eric.

You missed my favorite line from that thread. Somebody actually wrote "remember that context and logic only cause these types to run around with their fingers in their ears yelling lalalalalalalalala".

I love to see logic like this. Everybody should be free to say or draw what they want without having to worry about who they could offend, except if you want to wave a flag in the U.S. you should think awfully hard about how rightwingers might perceive it.

Actually, I think it makes sense if it was just a typo. They meant "context or logic". See, when there's no logic you have to go with context (there's an awfully lot of "context" coming out of right wingers right now, involving all kinds of "nuance" that I wouldn't have expected even a few years ago).
Eric M[info]ericmonster on April 10th, 2006 03:21 pm (UTC)
Re: My favorite line
And one of the better parts about the "context and logic" bit was how quickly it shifted into "content and logic." In the context of the next post, context equals content. Can you understand the importance of context now?

Although I'm not sure that tops, "If I were a professor, I might take my thesis statement and replace all of the proper nouns with single-letter variables. And then as soon as anybody asks me what the variables stand for, I'll just abandon it."

That sounds totally like something a professor would to. Fucking liberal academics.
(Anonymous) on April 12th, 2006 11:03 am (UTC)
Here in the United Kingdom we don't get American-style conservatism. We do get Fox News on satellite, though, which is how I know how much damage a vase can do to a television screen.

In Britain the only people who fly British flags are the Queen, soccer fans and white supremacists. It's probably OK to fly them in America, though, because Americans think Tony Blair is quaint.

--Lee